2006年08月15日

分不相応な比較

今日新宿CanonにKiss2台のセンサークリーニングに行ってきました。
そこでついでに、現行EOSデジタルいくつかの撮り比べをしてきました。
案内してくれるお姉さんも嫌な顔1つせず、延々と付き合ってくれました。

比較した機種は、
1.自分のKissDN 2.30D 3.5D 4.1DsMARK2 の4機種
使用レンズは、
1.お借りした24-70L 2.自分のTAMRON28-75
です。

MARK2なんかは、どんな金持ちになっても手がでませんが、せっかくの機会ということでたくさん撮らせてもらいました。
デジタルカメラ最高峰というのが一体どんなものなのか興味津々だったのです。
・・・ですが、帰って確認すると、残念ながらMARK2の画像はJPEGでも10MB以上!!!
このブログは1ファイル5MBまでなので、当然そのままのせることはできません。
ということで残念ながらMARK2のものだけはPhotoshopで再圧縮しています。
まあ、雰囲気は伝わると思います。
他3機種はJPEG-Lファインそのままです。

<撮影条件>
・4機種とも、JPEG最高画質、センターAF(画面中央のオレンジっぽい容器)、パラメータはいじらず、AWB
・広角側の画像はISO400、望遠側はISO800(本当はISO100で比べたかったのですが、テブレ防止目的です。お姉さんは三脚も貸してくれると言ってくれましたが、そこまでは申し訳ないので、ISO400以上にしておきました。)

画像をご覧頂く場合は、
続きを読む・・・からです。


以下その画像です。(一応グレード順に並べたつもり)
焦点距離は35mm換算です。
<KissDN+EF24-70L>
38mm F2.8 1/200      38mm F5.6 1/50      72mm F5.6 1/80

kiss L 38mm 2.8 200.JPG kiss L 38mm 5.6 50.JPG kiss L 72mm 5.6 80.JPG

<KissDN+TAMRON28-75>
45mm F2.8 1/200      45mm F2.8 1/50      77mm F5.6 1/100

Kiss TAM 45mm 2.8 200.JPG Kiss TAM 45mm 5.6 50.JPG Kiss TAM 77mm 5.6 100.JPG

<30D+EF24-70L>
38mm F2.8 1/250      38mm F5.6 1/60      72mm F5.6 1/100

30D L 38mm 2.8 250.JPG 30D L 38mm 5.6 60.JPG 30D L 72mm 5.6 100.JPG

<30D+TAMRON28-75>
45mm F2.8 1/250      45mm F5.6 1/60      77mm F5.6 1/125

30D TAM 45mm 2.8 250.JPG 30D TAM 45mm 5.6 60.JPG 30D TAM 77mm 5.6 125.JPG

<5D+EF24-70L>
40mm F2.8 1/200      40mm F5.6 1/50      70mm F5.6 1/80

5D L 40mm 2.8 200.JPG 5D L 40mm 5.6 50.JPG 5D L 70mm 5.6 80.JPG

<5D+TAMRON28-75>
44mm F2.8 1/200      45mm F5.6 1/60      75mm F5.6 1/80

5D TAM 44mm 2.8 200.JPG 5D TAM 45mm 5.6 60.JPG 5D TAM 75mm 5.6 80.JPG

<MARK2+EF24-70L>
40mm F2.8 1/200      40mm F5.6 1/50      68mm F5.6 1/100

1Ds L 40mm 2.8 200.jpg 1Ds L 40mm 5.6 50.jpg 1Ds L 68mm 5.6 100.jpg

<MARK2+TAMRON28-75>
42mm F2.8 1/200      44mm F5.6 1/50      75mm F5.6 1/100

1Ds TAM 42mm 2.8 200.jpg 1Ds TAM 44mm 5.6 50.jpg 1Ds TAM 75mm 5.6 100.jpg


<番外のP4(ISO50)>
36mm F2.7 1/25        103mm F4.7 1/16

P4 36mm ISO50 2.7 25.JPG P4 103mm ISO50 4.7 16.JPG


自分には縁のない撮り比べをしてみましたが、何よりお姉さんには感謝です。
自分の感想は・・・
・30Dだけは若干アンダーに撮ろうとするみたい
・Kiss〜5Dまでは予想していたほどの差は感じなかった(あくまでボクのフシアナ目での話です。)
・30Dと5Dのファイルサイズがちょっと小さすぎ?設定間違えてるかも?
・Mark2には素人のボクでもビックリ!シャープネス処理によらない解像感ていうのはこういうものなのかと認識させられました。布の質感・ビンの立体感などなど、さすが最高峰と思わされました。元のままでお見せできないのが残念です
・24-70Lと手持ちTAMRONは、F2.8では差がありすぎ?F5.6ならまあまあというとこなんですが、F2.8だと・・・。比べる相手が悪いのか、ボクのが個体不良なのかなんて不安になってしまいます

まあ、はっきり言ってボクにはKissDN・P4で十分という結論も与えてくれた撮り比べでした。(だって価格差を考えたら・・・)


この記事へのコメント
こんばんわ
Kissと1Dを比較してみてもここという違いを見つけられない私の目はまだまだなんだなと痛感しました。
圧縮前は差が分かるのでしょう
そういう意味で私はKissの凄さを実感出来ました
Posted by まー at 2006年08月16日 00:12
大差ないと言えば大差ないですし、違うと言えば違うって感じなんですよね。
Mark2の画像は、全てが繊細で緻密に描写しているのがPCモニター上でもある程度は感じるんですね。
あと、画質だけでなく、操作感とかですかね。
ただ、5万円と70万円ですからね・・・。この65万円を出せる人はすごいとしか言いようがないです。
Posted by ken311 at 2006年08月16日 07:26
こんにちは。
以前は購入比較にアドバイスを下さってありがとうございました。
先月に旅行へ800ISを持参しまして、それなりに撮ってきました。でも事前にもっと練習しなければなぁと現地で気づくことも多々でした。
たくさん機種をお持ちでも、ちゃんと撮影に出かけれていて、お勉強なさっていて素敵ですよね。
私も近所でももっと撮影に出かけようと思います。
おふたりの比較写真など、今回も興味深く拝見しました。時間があれば私もネットなどでも知識を得ていきたいと思います。今後も楽しみにしております。
Posted by みきたろう at 2006年08月16日 13:19
みきたろうさん こんにちは。
北海道旅行からようやく帰ってきまして、お返事おそくなりました。
今回の北海道旅行でも、自分のウデの未熟さを痛感させられました。
基本的な知識は頭に入っていても、まったく同じ環境のシーンを撮ることなどありえず、その場その場で瞬時の判断が求められてしまいます。
結果、失敗写真の連続なのですが、プロはそのあたりも違うなあと実感します。
たくさん経験を積んで、できる限りいい写真が残せるといいなあと思っています。
Posted by ken311 at 2006年08月19日 12:32
ken311さま
こんにちは。価格comではken311様のP4に対するコメントが大変参考になりました。

ken311様のこの記事を参照するに、P4はさすがにデジ一と比較すると白飛びや細部の描写ではかないませんが、ISO50でのノイズはKissDNとほぼ同等で、P4は優秀なレンズとCCDなのかな、と思いました。Mark2はさすがに飛び抜けた高画質ですね。
でもJPEGで10MB以上とはすごいですね。

考えてみると、このJPEG圧縮のアルゴリズムというのもデジカメの画質に大きな影響を与えているはずですが、あんまりその点は話題に上らないですね(私が知らないだけ?)。
P4のマニュアルを読むと、FINEが1/4圧縮、BASICは1/16圧縮とありましたから、やはりBASICでは画質も落ちるのだろうな、と思ってしまいます。
Posted by drnobusaku at 2006年08月21日 10:25
drnobusakuさん こんにちは。
P4はおそらく画像処理の部分が、好みの人にとっては絶妙なところにチューニングされている気がしています。αsweetにかなわないのは当然ですが・・・。
Mark2の画像はカメラが吐き出したJPEG-fineをボクが再圧縮してしまっていますが、それでも他機とは差を感じてしまいます。(もちろん買えませんが・・・。)
ボクもJPEG圧縮が具体的にどのような画質劣化を生んでいるのかはよくわかりませんし、あまり話題にもならないですね。RAW→JPEGで1回とレタッチでもう1回くらいならほとんど劣化は感じられないということをどこかで見かけたことはあります。さらにもう1回はオススメではないらしいです。photoshopのアンシャープマスクなんかも最後に1回だけかけなさいとよく目にするので、できる限り再圧縮はは避けた方が良いことは間違いなさそうです。
RAW→tiff変換なら劣化はないようですが、ファイルサイズを考えると実用的ではないですし、そもそもJPEG圧縮は画質劣化が非常に少ない形式だから標準化したそうなので、実用上はJPEGで十分と感じています。
何かWINDOWSでJPEGでない圧縮形式を開発中とかいうのをどこかで見たような気はします。
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